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^ I agree with you 100%. It's sad the fact that people are judged because they do things other people do not. There's a reason we do this. It's not for attention or pathos for the most part, it's a way to cope because this life can be really hard to deal with and in some scenarios, it all seems like too much and something's gotta give. People shouldn't be shamed because they deal with their problems in an "unethical" fashion. Well, tell me, where are the ethics? There obviously aren't any if society picks on those who are already suffering. I'd prefer it if I knew someone was going to cut rather than commit suicide to be perfectly honest.


agreed. everything in a nutshell

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about the cutting diary of EA...

well cutting happends... but making pictures of it...

and to be really honest (well this is scary)
about the photo's in the book: that's it? If seen girls who can never show their arms without other poeple passing out.
If THEY wrote a cutting diary it would make more sense to me.

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Sorry my english ins' t that good sorry....

^Why do the pictures suddenly make everything worse?

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"You," said he, "are a terribly real thing in a terribly false world, and that, I believe, is why you are in so much pain."

^^I got the impression that those photos were just a meek re-creation for illustration purposes. Her descriptions of ragged, tattered flesh upon which a place to cut was difficult to find don't match up at all. And there's no way anyone would exaggerate that much with photos in plain view.

And I want a woman who doesn't want children. Children are icky. But more importantly I want a woman who has greater desires of how to spend her time than merely living to raise another life.

^PS This discussion was in Unpopular Opinions but got relocated.

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^Agreed on both points.

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"You," said he, "are a terribly real thing in a terribly false world, and that, I believe, is why you are in so much pain."

I had a lot of trouble actually reading though this part of the book, I could really only read one page at time and need a break because of just how triggering the topic was for me.
I found EA's reasoning behind her actions really, really interesting and I loved the way that she made it clear that cutting is a symptom of the illness rather then the other way around. The amount of councilors/doctors/psychologists try to treat cutting as an illness was driving me mad.
My only real negative with that section is that I feel that EA could have mentioned just how addictive it is to start cutting. I've had a lot of issues with cutting and tried to give it up about 4 times now, I'm still doing it to this day and I know how bad it is for me and the risk of infection but the addiction is what really need to be beaten.

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Well I am just tired of seeing pics of it. If you google it... And it s a fact people are triggered by it. Even if you are telling don't do it. Among the readers are a lot of unstable readers and that mekes me worried. That is not a fault made any writer of any book. But I do think the more attention paid to cutting in the media the more people will do it. Not sure, just thinking about all of this.

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Sorry my english ins' t that good sorry....

But she did say it was an addiction. And she mentioned having to cut at weddings and in the bathroom at Starbucks- at no point does that sound like a healthy relationship between you and the blade.

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So, since I'm not getting the book any time soon, I want to know. What does the book say about Emilie's cutting? I'm curious.

Well, people do it for different reasons, Nichole. I do it for emotional control.

Mine aren't ever too deep, but become red and form small beads. I'm not against it, but I won't go and promote it. I occasionally do other forms of self-harm as well, but that's about it. I don't go all extreme like some. That's why I don't usually worry about mine or even hide them. I know they need help, but I don't think I need as much help as they do. I only want help because I want to know why I have such trouble handling my emotions and the fact that I mostly don't remember cutting. Just my thoughts on it there.

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Agreed.

if you feel uncomfortable reading it, imagine how uncomfortable she felt living with it. you have the option to put the book down, but she lived the nightmare. people struggle with the addiction of self-injury everyday, the vast majority of them go it alone. knowing there's someone out there that felt that same wave of emotion, that battled those same demons, is a help, not a hindrance.

it's an uncomfortable subject, i'll grant you that. breaking the silence on such things is an amazing thing: it sheds the isolation, alleviates the feeling that you're facing the demons alone, thus taking the power away from the issue and putting it back into the survivor's hands. there are many uncomfortable subjects out there -rape, abuse, abandonment. telling someone they should keep quiet because to speak of the subject is unseemly is the same as telling them they need to deal with it and suffer on their own. then nobody gets helped. i read in an article on the psychology of torture that people have a tendency to sympathize more with the culprit than the victim, because the culprit asks for nothing but for you to turn the other way, to not see what's happening, whereas the victim is a walking, talking open wound that serves to remind that the world can be an ugly place that makes no sense at all, and people hate to be reminded of that fact. but it's something we've gotta face, and continuously silencing voices isn't going to change it.

think of it this way (in the words of Emilie herself) ...well they should be disturbed, because there's a story that ought to be heard...

i haven't received my copy of the book yet, so i've not seen where she glorified it. having struggled with self-injury for over twenty years (even if i haven't cut in a long time, the urges are still there) i understand that when you're in a state that has you reaching for the blade, logic and reason go out the window and self harm really does seem like the only way to cope. while to the outsider this may seem like glorification, it's really just the emotions that go along with it. it's ugly, it's scary, but if bringing those emotions to light helped her stop, if it helps someone feel they are not alone, or helps someone understand why their loved one hurts themselves, then it's actually doing some good and shouldn't be left by the wayside.

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I personally found the Cutting Diaries quite hard to read, but harder not to read once I'd started. I dont think EA says that cutting is good once, just that thats how she herself coped. In the Diaries themselves she doesnt say cutting is good or bad I dont think, though she says it's bad afterwords. I'm glad she put it in firstly because it is breaking the taboo, who even decided cutting was bad, I mean most people end up hurting themselves on purope at least once in their lives, if not by cutting. And secondly because it DOES help some people understand, and even if they dont understand, they know they aren't alone. And yeah it was sort of triggering, Ive not cut in so long but it doesnt go away, and anyway, when you have or do cut badly, what out there that even mentions cutting ISNT triggering, it all makes you think about it, and it's always going to make you want to do something that you know will make your pain go away, so of course it triggering.

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i JUST finished reading the Cutting Diary and i didn't find it difficult (save for a few illegible words) or triggering at all. i also didn't see it as a glorification -it seemed to me an honest account of the emotions that come with it, including the justifications. fact is, not everybody learns what is deemed as "proper" coping mechanisms, and that's just a way some people find to cope. i can relate to a lot of what she said, especially how the urges come on, feeling the need to be in control of yourself, etc.

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I've read it as well and tbh I was quite scared of reading it at first but actually once I've started I found it very interesting. I've never cut myself or felt like wanting to do it. I always imagined reasons why people would do it and the book only confirmed what I always thought about it. I personally think that it's good that it's been published. It only shows that while for people who have never done it may seem unreasonable, it may make sense to those who do it at the same time and so such people shouldn't be judged only based on their actions. Perhaps we can look at cutting differently and instead of just telling people to stop doing it, rather get to the base of their problems. Like they say, treat the causes not the symptoms if you know what I mean.
I didn't find this part of the book the most disturbing actually, but that's just my personal opinion. If you feel uncomfortable reading it, simply don't. Honestly any part of this book could possibly be triggering so if you feel uneasy reading anything, leave it out and maybe come back to it when you're ready.

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