THE ASYLUM - Emilie Autumn's Official Forum

Dear, I know!
...And You just killed my awesome argument... D:
Ok, then... Emilie can change because she had to turn into human and it (unfortunately for her) affected her.
Good now?

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What does it matter what I see,
If it can't be my design,
Tell me where do we draw the line?

all the way from pg 1
sorry, i have to go to work soon can't read through all of it.


indeed, feathers fall off during the regular molting stage of a bird, causing it virtually no harm. just as the hair can be cut off a horse's tail without harming it (though that is not typically the case).

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molting? the feathers eventually fall off on their own, completely intact.
and since when is shearing a sheep violent? it's no different from shaving a dog. most sheep are free range anyway.
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ETA: okay i had more time than i thought.

what's wrong with honey? i don't get it? it's not like we're forcing the bees to stay pregnant so they can produce yummy honey, it's their nature, it's what they DO. you could even say it's their raison d'etre. the bees would keep making honey whether man was around or not, the only interference man has is collecting it. even then the bees aren't harmed or compromised in any way.

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I love her current hairdo! It suits her really well!

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i don't care for the new hair style personally. i think it makes her look ridiculous. so far every snippet i've seen from flag has me seeing an Emilie that's become lost in theatrics.

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okay, dangit, i don't know why i do this to myself.

reading through this i've got issues, MAINLY with the OP which i'm going to address now.

#1 page four, post three
the dismissal of "a lot of those points are lies"
i'm just picturing you with your fingers in your ears going "Lala it's a lie"
the qualifier "not that you're a liar" doesn't much help either. it still seems like you're calling her a liar.

for the record, what SoulSurrendered wrote on the subject was true. more on that later.
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misinformation is spread for one of two reasons: propaganda, and ignorance of the actual facts.
it's rude to assume, regardless of who you're talking to, so the best way to handle misinformation is to be diplomatic about it.
rather than saying "it's a lie!" (which is rude, and communicates dismissal of view) try approaching it in this manner:
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response: this is misinformation
this is the proper information
this is my source
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many people view the last step as optional, but i do not believe it is. simply because, if you really and truly want to open honest lines of communication you yourself must be honest. your source may be wrong, in which case someone can direct to another source that has the correct facts properly laid out.

likewise, you must bear in mind that EVERYBODY has the capacity to be deceptive. not everybody chooses to use those methods. since we can only get to know our sources so well it's important that we do our research to understand the creditials of the person giving us information. also keep in mind that just because someone backs a benevolent cause, it doesn't mean that they are above being deceptive as a means of swaying people to their side. this goes for ALL sides, not just the OTHER side.

research ALL claims, especially the outlandish ones such as:



1. the simple process of molting (which every animal with feathers/fur/exoskeleton/hair does) can have you collecting all kinds of feathers, fully intact, without ever touching the bird. the molting phase sheds the most during spring, when the winter coat is being shed. killing birds for feathers would actually be a rather poor business practice, as you get more (and better) feathers off a molting bird than you do off a dead one.

2. sheep don't even need to be tethered for sheering. the most harm sheering can do is tugging at the wool when the razor's too dull, and anyone worth their salt knows continuing on with a dull blade will do damage to both the tool and the wool, so the blades are changed regularly.
as you can see from the video i linked (in the opening of this paragraph), the sheep aren't manhandled, or hacked, or abused. one may be skittish from the constant buzzing noise, but there's no harm done there at all.
fact of the matter is, shaving your legs with that fancy Venus razor is more brutal and potentially harmful than sheering a sheep.
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i know i warned against assuming, but logically i cannot view those two claims as anything more than propaganda, and making such wild statements is where your point of view tends to be lost.

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as for cows needing to be milked, yes they do. as do humans, and puppies, and kittens and lions and tigers and bears (oh my!), or any mammal that is in its milk-producing stage. when the animal's brood is sucking on their teat they are, in all technicality, milking that animal. if there wasn't some method (nursing, pumping, machines, etc) expelling that liquid from the swollen mammary glands it gets extremely painful (speaking from experience).

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this statement annoys me, simply because hiddenshadow gave you evidence to the contrary pages before, yet you're still holding to it.

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and tell myself you didn't see it, and post those links again:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... -by-nature
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/meat-eat ... z1koOvVI3j
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4 ... habit.html
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low- ... s-part-ii/

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in conclusion...
if you truly want an open and honest discussion 1. gauge your responses/rebuttals and communicate properly. the empathy approach is best, would you be inclined to listen if someone responded to you in a certain manner? the answer for yourself is the same as the answer for someone else 2. be open to the other point of view. you may learn something.

and this...


i'm with TiggTea on this, you sparked the discussion yourself. if you want others to take it seriously you need to do so yourself.

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^ I agree with kyoto tig on that sourcing is very important in a discussion. I don't always do it myself, but who did the research is very very important. I also agree with her on the rest of the discussion, but I won't go into that again I love her new wig though, but I don't understand why she lost her "curl" of the pink wig/hair while now she's singing about it (" I have a little curl").

Personally, I would love to see her with red hair, but a new colour of red so it's fresh, with a curl on her forehead, because that would fit the show. Of course, with other wigs too (like the white one she has now and the hat when she's a man in G!G!G!)

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Some vegans do eat honey? Oh, that is one reason why I thought not becoming vegan. The honey part. I love eating honey and love using it for health/beauty reasons. As long as you get organic honey it should be fine. That is the thing with veganism. No one thinks it is wrong to use animal fur etc. but just the way it is done. I think most vegans would use them if they %100 know how it is being taken or what the source is. E.A is like that as well.

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Tones sound, and roar and storm about me until I have set them down in notes- Ludwig Van Beethoven

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I want one. I want one so badly I can taste it. It is the most glorious mohawk I've ever seen. Combine that headpiece with all the rage and vengeance of FLAG and she's like a Victorian Lisbeth Salander.

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localkaty

^ Agreed.
I was watching a video of her today, and I kept on think how much I wanted that hairpeice!

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"Never to suffer would never to have been blessed."
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CCT: The Flesh Eating Faerie.

I'm working on it... ;D

Waiting for a shipment of feathers at the mo, hurry up eBay!

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I think we are in rats’ alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME

(for tea)

^ OH! Post pictures when it is finished?!

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My Etsy!

"Never to suffer would never to have been blessed."
—Poe

CCT: The Flesh Eating Faerie.

Unfortunately taking fur from an animal always means that you have to kill it first. So there's no way any vegan would use fur. (Espacially knowing that fur these days comes from terrible fur farms). Wool and feathers are another thing: birds shed feathers naturally and wool can be obtained in a cruelty-free manner.
Eggs and dairy can be cruelty-free if they are organic, otherwise not.

Okay, this is off-topic again...

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I second the call for pictures! And also request a tutorial on getting the fake hair to stay up.

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localkaty

I'll put up a full tutorial with pics when it's done. ^^, I've been experimenting a bit and so far things are working out well so it won't be too long!

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I think we are in rats’ alley
Where the dead men lost their bones.

HURRY UP PLEASE ITS TIME

(for tea)

I started liking EA in the Opheliac era with the pink hair. When she came on stage at my show with her blond hair and the Mohawk with what looked like pheasant tail feathers, I said to myself, this woman is in charge of her life now. She has so much power on stage, and with her new songs from FLAG, her message is very strong. We have only heard a few of the new songs and I can't wait to listen to more as her tour ends in the USA and she goes to the UK. Back to her hair, I now love her look more now than I did in pink.
To the girls looking for tail feathers, cheap. Look for a fishing fly shop near you, or a large sporting goods store. Fishermen use many feathers to make flies.

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EA 1/26/2012, Denver, Colorado.