'Opheliac' subsequent to "obliteration attempt"

SloaneDarling · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:48 pm

About her "obliteration attempt and subsequent incarceration within the maximum security psych ward" . . . I thought it was well-known that 'Opheliac' came after, not before her stay in the hospital . . ? O.o Anyway, I'd always assumed so, cuz that makes more sense . . . plus, in the book, doesn't she mention that she was in the middle/about to start a new album/project, and that's why she needed to go home? And so the project became 'Opheliac'. . ?

What did everyone else think the order of events were?

Source: EA's blog - http://emilieautumn.com/blog/2012/06/15 ... 24th-2012/

Ankh · **Posted:** Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Arguments in favour "Suicide attempt after Opheliac":
- she started planning Opheliac in 2003, so most likely it's not influenced by staying in the Asylum
- in the book you can find references to European tour. I'm not sure of that but I believe that first EA tour in Europe was in 2007, which means after Opheliac. Correct me, if I'm wrong
- the passage with "Marry Me" lyrics in the book makes more sense now...

Arguments which contradict that claim:
- she said in one interview that she doesn't play ENchant anymore because it was "before her being locked down"...which suggest that Opheliac was made after.
- in the book there wee fragment like "I can't go to the hospital. Fuck, I have record to finish"...and everyone believed it was about "Opheliac". but it didn't have to be Opheliac, we don't know it for sure.
- Queen fLee told once that EA was in the psych ward in early 2006.

I don't know anymore, but I always found doubtful when people told that the book was describing events before "Opheliac"...

WindIsCold · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:11 am

I am very confused now. [face_thinking]

Rouge · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:58 am

If it wasn't for fLee's comment about it happening in 2006, I'd say she attempted suicide during the recording of Opheliac, not before or after.

InkyFox · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:01 am

In the book she says that she has to go to finish the record. It is possible that it is referring to one of the many other side projects that EA never finished (Ravensong, The Jane Brooks Project, etc). Maybe she was working on something more along the lines of her Enchant era and Opheliac changed everything.

Edit:
Mild Spoilers, Maybe?
If we are to believe that TAFWVG is chronologically correct to the RL EA, it would mean that her suicide attempt was before Opheliac, especially because the "Marry Me" lyrics were hidden on her website as something unreleased. She has also said in interviews that if Opheliac didn't fulfill her she would kill herself and actually do it that time.

Pancreatic Pandora · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:16 am

^Or Laced/Unlaced or the 4'o clock EP or maybe GJWHF & Bohemian Rhapsody.

To me at least, the book makes it seem like her incarceration happened after Opheliac. There is, indeed, a reference to a European tour too. But, and only if I'm remembering correctly, her drowning attempt ocurred during the recording of the album.

xThe_Asylum_Opheliacx · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:10 am

Actually the song 'Opheliac' was written in 2004-2005 after her first attempted suicide by drowning herself. It was just going to be a single or an EP originally. Opheliac was based on her personal life and the events that led to her attempted suicide. She was working on recording the album during 2006 which stopped when she was landed in a psych ward. The reason why she saw her psychiatrist originally was to get help. She promised herself that she would finish Opheliac and see whether that helped her or not. She obviously wrote a few songs about her asylum experience and snuck into the record before it was released. Fight Like A Girl is an album more about her asylum experience than Opheliac. Opheliac was about all the events that lead up to it. All I am %100 sure was the majority of Opheliac was written before her admission in a psych ward.

Pancreatic Pandora · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:37 am

^Ah, that was what I was thinking of, I knew her drowning had a direct relation to her writing Opheliac, the song.
Also, we could take into account the fact she might have been in the psychiatric ward more than once, as some people have mentioned before.

Nocturnal Mermaid · **Joined:** Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:30 am **Posts:** 1506

I'm so happy that there's a thread for this now.

I always assumed it was during Opheliac. Hmmm.

By the way, anyone remember me? :P Well, I'm back. [face_hugs]

October Wolfe · **Posted:** Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:06 am

I think this makes perfect sense. If I recall, there is a mention in TOC about how she made a deal with herself to record O instead of obliterating herself, and she goes on to say that it worked that time, strongly implying that she did indeed try it again (or maybe she said directly, I forget).

plaugekoneko19 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:33 am

I think she said "It happened again after that" which I always thought meant she contemplated obliterating herself again not an actual attempt *shrugs*

Also I believed the writing of Opheliac was split between her being locked up with most of it being finished before she got locked up. The songs on Opheliac show up in TAFWVG which I thought was her writing her parallel story with content she knows, and she knows these songs she's written them and maybe recorded some of them or at least the instrumentals before being locked up. I never thought the Opheliac era was a complete reaction to being locked up just heavily influenced, though more the show than the record.

One thing that confused me though is I think in the book she said she had shows to do, which shows would those be?

LouiseDiamondLace · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:27 am

For me, it seems as she started upon Opheliac before her being locked. But yet aftwerwards, it changed the album she had planned originally.

Anulle · **Posted:** Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:18 pm

SloaneDarling wrote:

Source: EA's blog - http://emilieautumn.com/blog/2012/06/15 ... 24th-2012/

Quote:

everybody thinks that my actual obliteration attempt and subsequent incarceration within the maximum security psych ward occurred before “Opheliac” was written and released, and I’ve let them think it, preferring not to comment, because it doesn’t matter, and I don’t like to go into the details of the wheres and whens. But it wasn’t before “Opheliac.” It was after.

She says it pretty clearly? I see Opheliac as being about being suicidal and depressed - being like the Ophelia - not really being locked up.

Black-Cat · **Joined:** Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:14 pm **Posts:** 149

Darkblossoms wrote:

To me at least, the book makes it seem like her incarceration happened after Opheliac. There is, indeed, a reference to a European tour too.

But it doesn't make any sense either. This was "officially" the first Opheliac show, and she's already talking about the asylum. (last seconds of the video)

I'm very confused now :S

LadyCyanide · **Posted:** Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:45 am

I daresay it's rather likely she's been more than once..

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