THE ASYLUM - Emilie Autumn's Official Forum

Thanks everyone ^^

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Made by the amazing Mariiie

"Full day of meetings prepping @devilscarnival DVD release!! Gonna be a lot of Hailing of Satan!!!" -Darren

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And, um... wouldn't it have been a lot better if they'd had more money and they coudl have paid them a bit?



Yeah, and since it's been goven as a sole reason so far and it's the most senseless reason one could give (since crowdfunding works best precisely for people who are established), it's no surprise we think there's some business blindness going on there.


And about the price complaints, this is what it would seem to me:

With crowdfunding:
muffins fund and order digital copy of film, or DVD, or DVD with merchandising (they have a month or two to save for this since the project starts until the money is collected, more if the creators warn beforehand)
Film gets done. more budget than just Darren and Zdunich's savings = more quality + less financial risk
Tour happens, and muffins have had time to save up for this (

Without:
Film gets done with a smaller budget.
Tour, merchandising and CDs are all announced at once. Digital CD is way overpriced and physicals are show-only...
DVD comes out. This we are at least warned about.

I think muffins would be able to manage their money a LOT better with the first order of events. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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The album on amazon seems pretty average priced...

^At least at the time it was originally released everyone outside of the US had to buy it through itunes. I think in Australia it was $17, which in comparison to the US pricing, was very expensive.

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Make every second divine- You only live once so go fucking nuts. Live life hard.

Omg people, I'll say it again. No, they're not business professionals, they have no studio behind them. Even if they did have professionals behind them, that's no guarantee for success, same with crowd funding. If it were as EASY as you keep saying, YOU could've produced the film better than they could, but I highly doubt it. Yes, they're not business professionals and they make mistakes, but I'm pretty sure they know more about filmmaking than any of us do. If there was a chance to get more money for the project, you SERIOUSLY believe that they would pass it up (and continue to do so)? If it were that easy to put out an idea and get people to throw money at it, we ALL would have our music and films and art out there. How many people besides AFP can you name who have had significant success with crowd funding? And as little as everyone seems to think of Darren, why are you putting so much weight in something he blurted out?

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^Well, movie making requires far more than an idea and funding. I know I'm certainly not claiming to have the skills or talent of Darren or Terrance.

Crowdfunding IS easy. Like, ridiculously easy, if you're as well-known as them.
Yes, AFP's Kickstarter success has been far beyond the norm. But, just as an example, my friend Kai Altair's husband Zina Brown (who isn't a recognizable name by any means) just raised about $40,000 to fund his short film. $40,000 would have done a lot for TDC in terms of production. And as Darren and Terrance are faaar more well-known than Zina, they easily could have raised a lot more than he did.

I don't know where you're getting the idea that none of us like Darren.
I respect him quite a bit. I just think he's wrong, and to be honest, a bit dense on this issue.
We're putting weight on what he said because it's the only statement anyone involved in the project has given, so it's the only thing we have to go by.

If we want to make reasonable assumptions regarding their thought process instead of just taking his comment at face value: They've said tons of times that they want to stick it to the industry and such with this project. And if they want it to be taken seriously, I can see how Kickstarter probably isn't the best thing to associate TDC with because of the "amateur" connotations unfortunately often associated with Kickstarter-funded projects. That's totally understandable, if a bit shortsighted.
But I feel like it's not going to be taken incredibly seriously anyway because of the shoddy production due to their lack of funds.
TDC is brilliant in concept. It just wasn't executed very well, and that makes me sad.

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What I did was to buy myself a gift card from Amazon to myself, then with that gift card I bought the cd at the normal, fair price that is being sold for right now. Some people called me a pirate for doing this but I didn't steal anything, I paid money for it to get it. However, I understand where you're coming from and being myself from Europe is sucks that some things are not released internationally, not even digital copies.

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And after that, all Hell broke loose...
Because it was Heaven.

Vincent Guastini (makeup-effects) said he did an audio commentary for the TDC dvd!

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Well isn't here a lovely little raffle.

But Cupcake, I really agree with your post. I do, too, remember the Dreams of the Last Butterflies project, and indeed it was very succesfull, especially giving thought that Zina isn't exactly a household name.
I believe that TDC's kickstarted would be successfull, but it would reduce the project's plausibility.

I don't really think that this is such a big deal. Not for me, at least.

I hope that the DVD is a multiregion release, for the sake of other muffins. I bought a multiregion DVD-player, because I buy so much movies from all over the globe, I got tired to be tied by the regions.
And more than that, I truly wish that the soundtrack would be released as a physical CD, but that's highly unlikely.

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EA's Intergalactic Spacebunny

Emilie twatted: "Mere hours away frm flying back 2 L.A. 2 record @devilscarnival DVD commentary with @darren_bousman, @MarcSenter, @terrancezdunich, & more!"

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^Woo hoo oh yeah commentary with EA!

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Only the knife knows what goes on in the heart of a pumpkin.

That's nice! I can't wait her quirky comments conserning the film..

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EA's Intergalactic Spacebunny

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~The plauge kat who helps the plauge rats~

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Emilie and Briana at the commentary recording:

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