Enchant Authenticity?

Tofu Hero · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:48 pm

So, I just bought a copy of the Enchant 2007 Trisol release from Amazon. I found it for 20 bucks, so I went for it. Of course, given the normally expensive nature (in the hundred-ish range, as we're all aware), one can imagine my skepticism. Are there any giveaway features of this release that can denote it as a bootleg? One thing I've already seen is the back of an EU release, there's this design at the bottom of the track list, which is absent on mine. Another thing is the label logos/etc. that are normally on the bottom of the back of the case. The image I saw (this one, btw): http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/2438/dsc02913.jpg is different from mine in that mine has that familiar block of tiny-font legal jargon at the bottom, lacks a barcode, and looks otherwise different. Any help in the matter would be highly appreciated.

A side note: I have not opened it yet.

EDIT: This is probably of relevance, this is an IronD distribution, and there is a lot of small cryllic print in places like the block of legal jargon.
EDIT 2: I'm pretty convinced this is a bootleg, iTunes couldn't find track names, etc. and when checking CD info it was all completely blank.

INMATE W17S · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:55 pm

For what I understood you have posted a picture of the one you thought you were buying, which is a good one. However, could you please post a picture of your unopened one, so we can see it and help you more?

Tofu Hero · **Posted:** Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:51 pm

INMATE_W17S wrote:

For what I understood you have posted a picture of the one you thought you were buying, which is a good one. However, could you please post a picture of your unopened one, so we can see it and help you more?

certainly, here's what I got http://imgur.com/FDOgg

INMATE W17S · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:05 am

Ok, your copy is an IronD one. Which I don't know yet if it's exactly good or bad or maybe neither. Pretty much, IronD is a russian copy, which is always bad, but in this case, for what I have understood, EA´s former discography Trisol, has an agreement with IronD to distribute these russians copy. Or something like that, if you do a search on this forum I'm sure a lot of threads will pop up explaining this. They have an official explanation in their official Facebook page:

Quote:

IROND Records Ltd is the leading Russian metal music records label.

IROND operates in several major fields:

It has secured license agreements for Russia and ex-USSR countries with more than 80 foreign metal and extreme music labels to re-publish their original material. Generally, such CDs / DVDs are much more accessible for Russian listeners as they are sold at prices comparable to pirated production. Also, IROND's subsidiary Sound Age publishes some of these material in audio cassette format that still enjoys mild popularity in Russia.
IROND works as an indie record label, subscribing artists, releasing and distributing their CDs.
It organizes concerts, i.e. acts as a concert agency, especially for foreign artists.
It publishes Dark City, a popular Russian magazine on metal and extreme music.
It licenses, manufactures and sells merchandise related to bands and artists it supports.

However, I always have wondered in the IronD version has the same booklet or it is book less instead. Can someone tell me, please?

Tofu Hero · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:27 am

INMATE_W17S wrote:

Ok, your copy is an IronD one. Which I don't know yet if it's exactly good or bad or maybe neither. Pretty much, IronD is a russian copy, which is always bad, but in this case, for what I have understood, EA´s former discography Trisol, has an agreement with IronD to distribute these russians copy. Or something like that, if you do a search on this forum I'm sure a lot of threads will pop up explaining this. They have an official explanation in their official Facebook page:

Quote:

IROND Records Ltd is the leading Russian metal music records label.

IROND operates in several major fields:

It has secured license agreements for Russia and ex-USSR countries with more than 80 foreign metal and extreme music labels to re-publish their original material. Generally, such CDs / DVDs are much more accessible for Russian listeners as they are sold at prices comparable to pirated production. Also, IROND's subsidiary Sound Age publishes some of these material in audio cassette format that still enjoys mild popularity in Russia.
IROND works as an indie record label, subscribing artists, releasing and distributing their CDs.
It organizes concerts, i.e. acts as a concert agency, especially for foreign artists.
It publishes Dark City, a popular Russian magazine on metal and extreme music.
It licenses, manufactures and sells merchandise related to bands and artists it supports.

However, I always have wondered in the IronD version has the same booklet or it is book less instead. Can someone tell me, please?

It has the same booklet as the regular Trisol, I don't think it's the same as Traitor. Is it one with like greenish pages and a lot of cursive writing all over it? Also, I saw a post claiming the legitimate IronD's Enchant CDs were not see-through when you hold them up to the light, and the bootlegs are, but I only one saw claim of this. I can't see why that would be different between legitimate and illegitimate. Anyway, when I tried it, it was see-through.

VintageSanity · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:47 am

Yeah, I hate to break it to you, but it probably is a dodge. I'm going to assume that all the music is on there and works though, so at least you got that. But try and report it as an illegal copy if you can, if not just be really wary about what you buy next time.
That's a real bitch.

Selena · 03.02.10 Pumpehuset, Denmark

What's wrong with the IronD copy?

LadyCyanide · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:16 am

To be honest, yours looks like a pirate IronD (i own IronD, pirate IronD and Trisol). The disk is rather transparent and the tracklisting on the back is somewhat blurry. The booklet should be really crisp, so if yours is anything other than that, you've most likely acquired a bootleg.

As for what's wrong with IronD- their first version of Laced/Unlaced was only single disc and lacked the bonus tracks. There is another IronD version out there that has two discs but doesn't have all of the bonus tracks. Debate was started over their authenticity when Melissa or whoever EA's management was at the time was contacted regarding the missing tracks, and their reply was that they had never heard of IronD, which isn't a good sign when it's EA's cds being distributed. However, as previously said, Trisol could have made arrangements with IronD to distribute her cd's after EA left their label. At present, nobody really knows for sure whether any IronD releases are legit or not.

Selena · 03.02.10 Pumpehuset, Denmark

That's kind of annoying.. I feel bad for having an IronD cd.

LadyCyanide · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:00 pm

^Don't, it's not our faults and if they aren't legit we're victims too.

Tofu Hero · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:23 pm

LadyCyanide wrote:

To be honest, yours looks like a pirate IronD (i own IronD, pirate IronD and Trisol). The disk is rather transparent and the tracklisting on the back is somewhat blurry. The booklet should be really crisp, so if yours is anything other than that, you've most likely acquired a bootleg.

As for what's wrong with IronD- their first version of Laced/Unlaced was only single disc and lacked the bonus tracks. There is another IronD version out there that has two discs but doesn't have all of the bonus tracks. Debate was started over their authenticity when Melissa or whoever EA's management was at the time was contacted regarding the missing tracks, and their reply was that they had never heard of IronD, which isn't a good sign when it's EA's cds being distributed. However, as previously said, Trisol could have made arrangements with IronD to distribute her cd's after EA left their label. At present, nobody really knows for sure whether any IronD releases are legit or not.

I have a single disc copy of L/UL! I contacted Asylum Emporium help regarding the bonus tracks and was told the same thing... FUCK ME >:(

And what do you mean the booklet should be "crisp"? The booklet seems just fine with this one. Also, when I tried importing to itunes on my other computer, it had song names, but "Rapunzel" was spelled "Rapunzil." Is that a giveaway at all?

Which one was supposed to be translucent, the legitimate or pirate copy?

LadyCyanide · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:32 pm

By crisp i mean that there shouldn't be any blurring, all of the lines and colours should be really clean and blur/fuzz free.

My IronD copy was also spelled Rapunzil when uploaded. I didn't load on the bootleg IronD though, so i'm not sure if it does the same thing.

Iceaxe0410 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:13 am **Posts:** 3388

This is still being debated huh?

One way to tell the bootleg is to look at the inner ring of the disc and make sure the catalog number is inscribed into it.

This explains it better than I can:

"ALL factory-pressed CDs will have the disc's catalog number imprinted into this inner ring. For example, if the catalog number is PRCD 1234, you are almost 100% certain to find "PRCD 1234" somewhere on that inner ring. If it's not there, chances are you have a pirated CD. Also, if the CD is missing the correct catalog number and has the number "80" (or "D80") sometimes followed by some other numbers, chances are you are looking at an 80-minute recordable CD."

The above taken from http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-Spot-Fake-CDs-especially-rare-ones?ugid=10000000006386863

Qualitywise, the IronD version is not much different from the Trisol version except as many pointed out with Laced/Unlaced, the absence of the extra tracks, but that's expected since it was placed onto a single disc. The original album was a two disc one. There's no way the extra tracks would fit into a single disc.

INMATE W17S · **Posted:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:21 pm

I have an original Trisol Enchant (rerelease from 2008, digibook) and Rapunzel is also spelled Rapunzil on the player. I guess is a typo but mine os not an IronD copy at all but a Trisol one.

Tofu Hero · **Posted:** Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:24 am

LadyCyanide wrote:

By crisp i mean that there shouldn't be any blurring, all of the lines and colours should be really clean and blur/fuzz free.

My IronD copy was also spelled Rapunzil when uploaded. I didn't load on the bootleg IronD though, so i'm not sure if it does the same thing.

If I could please trouble you to try and see... It would mean a lot to me c: Also, the booklet seems just fine to me!

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